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tmb1969 41 ( +1 | -1 )
Colle System Has anyone had much success with the Colle system? I find I need to have a few tricks up my sleeve if my opponent does not follow the opening line or transpose his/her pieces to get to the position described.

1. d4 d5 2. Nf3 .... 3. e3.... 4. c3.... 5. Bd3... 6. Nbd2... 7. Bd3... 8. O-O... 8. Re1 9. e5.

The idea being to set your white pieces at the positions described, then play e5. I find if my opponent has not also castled kingside by the time I play e5, I will run into trouble. Any suggestions?
doctor_knight 215 ( +1 | -1 )
well first of all, in the colle, you usually only play c3 if black has played c5. In the colle you don't necessarily have to play e4. Sometimes you can post your knight at e5 and move f4 and get into a pretty closed position with more positional considerations.

Remember though that the whole idea of the colle is to safely set up a dominant center. The idea is to play e4 and get the classical two pawn center where black cannot undermine it with openings like sicilian. If black has not castled, you generally should have advantage. You don't always have to go for the bishop sacrifice on h7. You can setup your pawn center, develop all your pieces to central positions and then come up with some sort of winning plan. To play the colle successfully, you have to learn how to plan. That was probably my biggest problem when I used to play it. I may just start looking into playing it again more now. You have to be able manage positional considerations. Although the colle is often an attacking line, it can take a very strategical nature in how you procede. There is no single type of pawn structure in the colle, you have to know how to handle several different kinds of pawn structures, so you may look into getting a good book on pawn structure. There are many good ones, but I'm not sure which would be the best for you. It depends on your understanding of chess. Any general middlegame book with good reviews should be good as the colle often prolongs the battle to the middlegame with an attack somewhere along the lines. An attacking book may also be a good investment.

There is one thing you have to carefull for. Watch out for the hypermodern style defenses. When you are establishing your center, take heed to black's ability to tear it down with fianchettoed bishops and such. Also look out for the stonewall defense. I would recommend Purdy's "Action Chess" which proposes an opening repetoire but more importantly for you, effectively teaches the concepts of the colle system. Purdy is a good teacher, you will benefit from this book if you study it.
ganstaman 66 ( +1 | -1 )
I tried it for a while, though I used the formation with b3 and Bb2 instead of c3 (some good info here: -> ericschiller.com )

It always annoyed me when black played ...Bf5 early, as that made putting a bishop on d3 much less fun for white.

I've also heard, but without fully investigating or understanding for myself, that the Colle System isn't so great against a KID setup by black.


I think you can play 1. d4 2. Nf3 and use that time to decide how black is going to get set-up. Then, you can either play 3. c4 and get a classical queen's pawn opening, or play 3. e3 if it still looks good.
doctor_knight 46 ( +1 | -1 )
I can't remember what it was, but Purdy dealt with the KID against the colle in his book "Action Chess". As far as I remember, the KID was not the best answer to the colle. I'll try to look it up as soon as I can. Purdy dealt with a lot of answers to the colle in his book. After reading the book all that is needed is practice and going over annotated games (something that I didn't do enough of). I have "Colle plays the Colle System". I should work through those games too.
jstack 91 ( +1 | -1 )
french plans vs colle I recently looked at some games where black plays a french set up against the colle...playing pawns to d5 and e6 and c5.. He is also playing an early b6 trying to exchange the bad bishop via Ba6. If white plays Qe2 the bishop goes to b7 supporting the center. Black waits for whites attempt to play e4 before exchanging on d4. For this reason white usually takes on c5 and then plays e4 leading to a few exchanges. Sometimes white wins with a kingside attack but often black has more than enough counterplay in the center and on the queenside to achieve equality. I think I may give it a try the next time I face the colle.
However, I may try I different plan with the blacks white Bishop. Instead of b6. Bd7!? with of the plan playing pawn to f6 and transferring the bishop to the king side via e8 and bishop h4. That way I can put my queen on b6 attacking whites center. All of this is fine in theory...but as they say "white has his own moves." -Regards
jlildee 15 ( +1 | -1 )
pawn push to control center is it more effective to push pawns to control center immediately or delay your push in order to undermine your opponents center?