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kofman2155 69 ( +1 | -1 )
Beating an Ameture I play my friend from time to time, and he always opens up with d4, or if I go to e4 he goes to d5. Today we played two games in both I moved to e4 and he countered with d5. I don't know how to respond to that. I usually push my pawn forward. He doesn't have a perticular opening so the move that follows is often random. I know that or well I think that countering with d5 is not a good move but I can't think of any perticular way to show it to him. I win in the end but it's usually close. Yea if I win what do I care. Thing is I want to practice new opening on him but he opens up with the d file all the time and I don't get the chance. Can anyone help me out by showing me a trick that I can counter that move with? and is the push a good idea?
mate_you_in_fifty 18 ( +1 | -1 )
it's called scandinavian defence it's not considered the best opening out there but it's quite playable. also,your best bet is to play exd5 followed by Nc3. If you move e5,he can play f6. Otherwise he'd have a cramped game.
invincible1 23 ( +1 | -1 )
yes mate_you ... is right. Best way is 1.e4-d5 2.exd5. The idea is if he brings out his queen early, you can attain quick development by making her highness dance the waltz!
Of course black has replies like 2...Nf6 which is best countered by 3.c4 or 3.d4.
1...d5 isnt too bad.
kofman2155 26 ( +1 | -1 )
Thanks, but one question, if I take that pawn wouldn't it also expose me on the e file. Should I place my k-side horse to e2? or is the a better way?

I want to try to build a strong reputiore against his play. Is a pertucalar opening for his move. If it's not used by the GMs it's for a reason right?
caldazar 170 ( +1 | -1 )
1... d5 is a perfectly good response to 1. e4. White opens by controlling the center with a pawn and opening lines for his pieces, and Black takes a similar action to open up some lines while challenging White's control directly. The main problem for Black is that his idea is a bit slow, because if 2. exd5, Black has to take time out to recapture the pawn. 1. e4 d5 2. exd5 Qxd5 3. Nc3 and White develops with tempo. Still, this is okay for Black; he has to take a bit of extra time to move his queen around, but he manages okay overall. 1. e4 d5 2. exd5 Nf6 is a try to recapture the pawn without subjecting the queen to attack. There, White can simply get on with matters with 3. d4 or try to hang on to his extra pawn with 3. c4

1. e4 d5 2. e5 is a nice attempt but unfortunately, it doesn't really work so well. Ideally, White would be trying to gain some space by trying to get into a French position (1. e4 d5 2. e5?! e6? 3. d4 c5 4. c3 Nc6). But Black doesn't have to allow 3. d4 and he can play 1. e4 d5 2. e5 c5 and then try to pick off the e5-pawn with things like ...Nc6.

There's no e-file exposure because the e-file is only open for White, not for Black (Black still has a pawn on the e-file, and you're going to castle long before Black manages to generate any kind of play to exchange off that pawn). 1. e4 d5 2. exd5 Qxd5 3. Nc3 Qe5+ (3... Qe6+ and how exactly is Black supposed to get his f8-bishop into the game?) is just a waste of time; White can block the check easily and in the future, Black will have to spend yet another move shuffling his queen when White again develops with tempo with Nf3.

As has already been posted, 1. e4 d5 is the Scandinavian Defense (or Center Counter Game), and is indeed seen occasionally in GM play.
kofman2155 47 ( +1 | -1 )
Thank you so much it was very informative. I learned very much today. I'll avoid pushing my pawn to e5 next time, and try to use development as my advantage in the game. One more question which isn't as specific as this. When my friend plays white he always opens with d5. What's a popular defense against it. I've come about using NF6 is my defense instead of d5. What the name of both defenses and which is more popular (or umm advantages and disadvatages of each)
gambitnut 23 ( +1 | -1 )
1. d4 d5 and 1. d4 Nf6 don't have names by
themselves. Both moves are perfectly good. The only
difference I see is that Nf6 is slightly more flexible,
you can always transpose into the d5 variations after
Nf6 but there are some Nf6 variations you can't play
after d5.
chessnovice 9 ( +1 | -1 )
... 1. d4 d5 is generally referred to as "Queen's Pawn Game"

2. d4 Nf6 is generally referred to as "Indian Game"
kofman2155 54 ( +1 | -1 )
Just wanted to let you know that I played him again today twice and I don't know why I didn't take his pawn before but both games lasted a total of 2 minutes. first time I destroyed his queen side and took his queen which is where he resigned and second was a mate. Thanks for your help. Like I said I was playing an ameture but the games we played before usually took much longer and would often even put me on the defensive having to protect the pushed e pawn. Thanks again
kapinov 5 ( +1 | -1 )
Slight correction For the strictly correct, 1.d4 Nf6 is known as an "Indian Defense".
divine_sun_cat 11 ( +1 | -1 )
strictly correct? Well almost. Strictly correct would be "Indian defence"

Indian opening is fine also.

kofman2155 8 ( +1 | -1 )
: ) So if white opens with Nf3 than would that be an indian opening
gambitnut 4 ( +1 | -1 )
No ... ... that is called the Reti Opening.
pinkpiece 9 ( +1 | -1 )
stricktly correct Actually it would be 'Indian Defence'. Single quotes, capital letters, but who's
checking?
paulberg 30 ( +1 | -1 )
LOL hahahaha.. you guys are killing me with all this proofing ;-))

Poor kofman2155 is probably getting more confused by the minute.. or is it Kofman? or, 'Kofman' perhaps Mr. Kofman?

I'm not trying to insult anyone, just reading the whole thread from top to bottom is hiliarious. Play chess and God bless.
basti1981 54 ( +1 | -1 )
heh Indeed it's great reading he asked something about the scandinavian (1. e4 (!!!!!) d5), and some guys end up talking about Indian defences and Queen's pawn games.
But back to the Scandinavian, I think the so called Hector variation is quite interesting esp. for player who like some little adventures OTB
1. e4 d5 2. exd5 Qxd5 3. Nc3 Qa5 4. d4 c6 5. Bc4 Bf5 6 Bd2 Nf6 7. Qf3
it's a relatively young variation (I think invented in 1995)
now there are a few variations: a) 7. ... e6? 8. d5 !
b) 7. ... Bg6 8. Nd5 !
c) 7. ... Bg4 !? leads to the main lines
d) 7. ... Bxc2 according to GM Matthias Wahls the critical Variation for White

The variations given above are all from GM Wahls Book "Modernes Skandinavisch"
morgo666 7 ( +1 | -1 )
Don't forget the Scandinavian trap, 1. e4 d5 2. Nf3 dxe4 3. Ng5 Qd5 4. d3 exd3 5. Bxd3 Qxg2 6. Be4

ccmcacollister 16 ( +1 | -1 )
And the sequence ... 1.Nf3 d5 2.e4 de 3.Ng5 transposition, actually has its own Name! That I'll never remember in 100 years. I've been calling it The Carney for so long, after a friend that plays that. :)
bonsai 81 ( +1 | -1 )
The Hector variation isn't all that great (at least according to Wahls - and as far as I've checked it that chapter is not one of those with mistakes in it), black seems to have at least two good moves. I finde that
1. e4 d5 2. exd5 Qxd5 3. Nc3 Qa5 4. d4 c6 5. Bc4 Bf5 6 Bd2 Nf6 7. Qe2
is much scarier for black, e.g.
7...e6 8.d5 cxd5 9.Nxd5 Qd8 10.Nxf6+ Qxf6 11.0-0-0 Nc6
and now there are several interesting ideas for white that Wahls did not cover in his book.

A. 12.Bc3 is somewhat tactical (note that black shouldn't try to win a pawn with 12...Qg5+?! 13.Kb1 Qxg2?) and Wahls never even mentioned it in his book.

B. 12.g4 Bg6 (once more winning material with 12...Bxc2 does fail tactically due to 13.Kxc2 Nd4+ 14.Kb1 Nxe2 15.Bb5+ etc.) 13.Bc3 is also very interesting, in part because now the black queen doesn't have the squares g6 and h6 anymore. Wahls only covers this rather superficially.
basti1981 84 ( +1 | -1 )
According to Wahls :) According to Wahls there are pretty few lines versus "his" Scandinavian that are superior, if I recall it correctly, he published the book after he won the German Chapionships (with his Scandinavian), there was also some kind of a small boom concerning the Scandinavian, and he wanted to earn some money with his popularity and the Scandinavian (personal opinion). I knew some of the youngsters playing at the HSK (Wahls Club) from the Landeskader back in the mid./late 90's, they were quite eager to play the Scandinavian, I think one of the main reasons was, that Wahls kept on telling how great his book and the Scandinavian in general were.
But despite all those deficits Wahl's book was one of the first (at least in Germany) that covered that opening in such a broad way, and I think he is one of the experts of this opening.

Feel free to correct me.
bonsai 90 ( +1 | -1 )
basti1981: Sounds about right... And if it weren't for the lines I mentioned (and all the Nc3-e4/d5xf6 lines, which are at least stragegically complicated - whether they are that good for white or not) the Scandinavian would be absolutely amazing particularly if one doesn't mind the occasional draw, I've had a number of games in which I easily equalised as black using it even against players rated 300 DWZ or so higher than me. However this season I lost quite badly in the line B I mentioned above. I started playing it due to reading the book by Wahls (after being totally frustrated by it when playing white).

Oh, and Wahls stopped playing it (presumably because everyone could now just look up most of his opening ideas in the Scandinavian), so I'm not sure whether he's still the major authority on the subject. GM Eric Prie seems to be one of the main practioners of the Wahls-style Scandinavian in recent years.